Showing posts with label George Bush. Show all posts
Showing posts with label George Bush. Show all posts

Monday, December 2, 2013

Was the Invasion of Iraq justified - Part Two

Is it Justifiable to Invade a Sovereign State?

Was the Invasion of Iraq justified?

What about sanctions? What about the War?

Is it justified to kill innocents, to try to bring down a dictator?

These are questions many people don’t think of, except in the most general terms; they don’t want to think about the fact their government justifies torture, or the murder of innocent children and babies. These are questions which everyone wrestles with, who has some stake in the future of America.

Islam doesn’t permit war crimes, in general. But there are also specific sayings of Mohammed bin Abdullah, pbuh, that specifically warn Muslim soldiers not to kill women and children, rabbis or monks, or old men who do not participate in fighting. When it happened that some women or children were killed, he said, “They are with them.” This suggests that in some cases, when a situation is not the most ideal, that there might be some civilian casualties. That is a far cry from justifying purposeful targeting or otherwise blatant human rights violations. Genocide is not permitted in Islam, nor is rape or pillage.

On the other hand, the hadith that the holy Prophet killed some pagan woman while she was breastfeeding is not something I am familiar with, and can’t comment on that. It isn’t surprising that Christians against Islam preach such things in the open and say this is why Islam is dangerous, and so on. But from the teachings I have I don’t believe that such a thing likely ever happened, and probably the hadith/report is not trustworthy, no matter which hadith scholar reported it, or had it under some authority to include in his hadiths collection. Not all the hadiths in Sahih Bukhari or Sahih Muslim are in fact “sahih”. Sahih suggests that the hadiths are trustworthy, but many weak or abrogated (daif, or mursal) sayings are included in the collections, these two in particular I mention because they are the most authentic writings after the Quran. Of course, they do not at all come close to the Authenticity or authorship of the Holy Book, but they are often referenced by Muslims, particularly scholars and students of Islam.

When a country today invades another, especially when America invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, the cost is immeasurably high in terms of lives and money. The fact that Bush waited for Senate approval before invading shows that he knows it is wise to have the backing of a majority of the government or the most important peoples’ approval, as well as a big percentage of the public’s approval going into a war, or else he wouldn’t have done it. He didn’t need all of the people to support the war, of course, and eventually when Americans got tired of the war, or decided that they didn’t agree with it, more and more, then that led to their questioning of the real motives of the Bush administration. But it is correct to say that the war was not only orchestrated by Bush’s administration or a few important or influential people at the top, but also it was agreed that once they were in Iraq or Afghanistan they wouldn’t be leaving for a long time. It’s incredibly naïve to believe that the government thought they would just go in and out as quickly as possible. That can’t be true, because the cost of deploying to Iraq or Afghanistan (or anywhere overseas) is so great; the American government is in debt, partly as a result of the wars it has fought. The government realizes and so do many of its people that they have to recover their losses, and even start to benefit from their overseas exploits. If they don’t their economy is destined to spiral downward for the unforeseeable future. That appears to be happening all over the country, in many parts, but of course the leadership can take a little belt tightening in stride, it is the poor and middle class who take the brunt of suffering when a deep recession happens. In fact when they are in a depression, the government leaders likely will run for the hills, and it appears that may be what’s happening already, since the Gulf Wars. In fact, cushioning their politicians in built into the system, with the large sums of money they earn, which many say is deserved, but even after they leave office, they are provided for the rest of their natural lives, unlike the rest of the population who must take their chances with whatever they can siphon away for their meager retirement funds, on average not even a tenth of what the rich will comfortably retire on.

For strategic and economic reasons, the Americans are not going to leave Iraq, or Afghanistan, probably any time in the near future. They may redeploy soldiers to other places, but part of the incentive for going to war is economic. For the troops their reasons for joining the army or military, also always include economic incentives; a desire to have steady employment and often the wish to benefit from other programs. While many believe their government is doing the right thing, they also want to know that their families will be taken care of if they don’t come home. Unfortunately for them, the truth of the matter is, many ‘army families’ are suffering and cannot even live without food stamps or charity. The administration’s quagmire is Iraq; it has been none too easy for soldiers and their families to hunker down as they are commanded (as good foot soldiers) literally in fact; but they are the pawns in the big “game” of Middle East Monopoly; it would be easier if they didn’t also have the quagmire of their own disillusionment with the reality of politics and their personal responsibility in some cases for their role in the seedier side of the war on terror, strategies which have placed many of them in the distasteful role of a greasy, small town jailer, which is how many Muslims and Arabs now see them. The animosity has become up close and personal, which is the drawback to controlling people on the ground when you occupy someone else’s country, cities and streets.

Especially in a large and cavernous country like Afghanistan, there is hardly another option to old fashioned hand to hand combat, or house to house searches. Hence, the necessity of the techno savvy administration’s use of unmanned drones, which is much more sanitized and impersonal, meaning the war in Afghanistan and neighboring countries (possibly comfortably settling into Pakistan as well) will be the techno**(meets) Sgt. Slaughter/or/Big Boss Man vs. Chemical Ali* (meets) Iron Sheikh (hometown, Tehran) version of a “Mexican standoff”***.

Note: Readers might not be aware that pro wrestlers often are not what they appear; American wrestler was Muhamed Hasan, while Iron Sheikh, now Col Mustafa, is actually Iranian, so I think it’s okay for me to pit an Iranian (aka) Arab Sheikh/Col against an American (Sgt. Slaughter) even if it isn’t representative of the statistical/political reality.

*Chemical Ali was of course a terrorist, the brother of Saddam Hussein, so not from Afghanistan or Pakistan, either. I just thought if Iron Sheikh wanted someone on his side, maybe someone who could get chemical weapons might prove useful against the enemy. Not that I’d endorse anything like that.

**Techno (e.g. techno pop) is music, which Americans like. But I wasn’t being funny; Techno means technology here, as in weapons technology (e.g. techno weapon)

A ***Mexican standoff historically, means you have three or more groups with opposing interests with the other groups, so all of them have their guns trained on everyone else. It isn’t meant here as any kind of racial slur. I’m all for a good “shoot out”, at least in the movies.







Sunday, December 1, 2013

Was the Invasion of Iraq Justified?

[I wrote this up while doing some research this morning, I think worth some time to read, you could also watch the video on YT.]

“The making of aggressive war is a war crime”


The United Nations had not sanctioned or permitted the Iraq war. Therefore, Bush and Blair may have to face criminal charges at the Hague. George Galloway heads the discussion which aired on Press TV.

Under several sections of the Geneva Conventions, investigation is done under two heads, says Ali Mohammad Azhar.

War crimes are killing, torturing, and detaining under inhumane conditions. Anyone who is aware of such, not only the perpetrators, are guilty of war crimes.

Mr. Mansfield a prominent legal counsel was also sourced by Al Azhar.

Bush and Blair were supported by the United States Congress and the UK Parliament. So they’re hands are clean. It is a contrary point of view, however.

Is it unfair to blame them for a political decision which was made with support from the US Congress and UK parliament?

“It’s ridiculous” says David Casavis, one who says he would be lawyer for Bush and Blair if asked.

Kofi Anan had said the war was illegal. Galloway argues that this is “not ridiculous”.

The fact that Saddam invaded Kuwait and Iran, according to Casavis, was reason enough to kill half a million children, according to his statements of support for the two leaders.

The chief prosecutor to the United Nations and the secretary general of the United Nations, neither of whom are politicians, were correct in saying that both Bush and Blair had committed war crimes. IN Tehran, he speaks next to the man, Ayer, who has filed against Blair, and his colleague who has filed against Bush in The Hague, hope they would be called to Kuala Lumpur to give evidence (which later took place, after the airing of this program).

“You don’t get a much more serious person than the chief prosecutor”, says Galloway.

It’s illegal to plan and orchestrate a war, which is not a direct threat. By that definition alone, Bush and Blair did something illegal.

Galloway mentions Bush had the power to enter into the war without the Senate’s approval, but in fact he did get authorization from the Security Council.

“The evidence has been building up… and it’s quite obvious the occupation was unnecessary.” And “they did not find anything.” comments one female audience member.

“Their leaders have killed their own people, that’s why Saddam Hussein was tried in The Hague”, says another woman. “This is the point of what a witch hunt is”… “This just seems… that now they have an opportunity to put the blame on other people”. He’s looking at it legally (Acampo), but she doesn’t agree with that. She wants to look at the issue from a completely political perspective.

Another member says that millions of Iraqis have been killed up to date, so it doesn’t seem justified, and suggests that their lives are worth less than American’s lives, for example.

In other words, because Saddam had killed his own people, doesn’t justify killing Iraqis in an “illegal war” or even in an invasion to catch a criminal like Saddam Hussein. Saddam was tried in The Hague and executed for war crimes. Bush and Blair have not been tried, though the Kuala Lumpur meeting found them guilty of war crimes.

The [Vietnamese]  war criminals were prosecuted for waterboarding at the end of the war. Why are Bush and Blair not also prosecuted for the actions of their government, which knew about the torture and interrogation techniques which were clearly inhumane and against human rights and/or the Geneva conventions?

Patrick Basham says he doesn’t believe the war was justified. “I think the war was a mistake.” But he believes it is wrong to criminalize the political questions. He believes people are just making themselves to “feel better” but it is correct to assert that these policy makers, the President and Prime Minister, made decisions which others would disagree with, “generally believed they were doing the right thing” and “logically doesn’t make sense”. “There has been a double standard but not compound an error by then going after other people, whether Bush or Blair [or others in power] who are currently unpopular”. He is saying, this doesn’t justify going after all the other people who supported the war.

“That at least has the intellectual consistency of applying one standard to all” replies Galloway.

David Casavis says “… some things are unwise, but not illegal”. “Bush was not interested in Iraq, he not interested in anything but Mexico.”” …when we were attacked at the World Trade Center that changed everything.”

“Iraq had nothing to do with the World Trade Centre though”, counters Galloway.

Casavis continues, “Colin Powell presented … at the UN that proved to be wrong. And our own state department contradicted that… but you enter into war with the facts that you have.”… “Unwise but not illegal”.

“It’s not a coincidence that Nixon was pardoned and then you have several illegal wars after that”, says an ex-soldier, and a spokesperson, who served in Iraq and now walks with a cane, by his own admission participated but now is against [illegal] wars.

“The US has a long list of war crime”, says one woman. “I stood in the United Nations lobby and watched Colin Powell lie through his teeth and he knew he was lying about the supposed facts that got us into Iraq. That was wrong, that was criminal and it really must be prosecuted.”

“Well, he himself [Colin Powell] now describes it as a blot on his career record” reminds Galloway.

Admiral Elmar Schmaehling, an ex-military man, joins the debate from Berlin. Asked why he thinks torture took place, he says, “Because Bush and Mr. Blair they both believe that they are superior to everybody as persons and as states. And so they think they can do this. And they can do [whatever they like of] all kinds of war and aggression and crimes without having to expect consequences.” He believes that torture is clearly against international law and making excuses for it is clearly wrong. “I’m very astonished that Mr. Bush even today defends the use of torture…”

A young man with a European accent comments next, “What I see is that there are two ideologies here, one is the humanitarian [looks at the value of the human being] and the other one is emphasizing the Western culture conquering culture.” “And we are [at] a point to decide which world, which way we are going.”

“You remember about the Nuremburg process and the values of the society were set up [after] the Second World War. And Bush and Blair respect it and follow those values when they invaded Iraq.”

“And I have in my mind the image of Churchill and Roosevelt and Stalin. Stalin was a war criminal and in place of Stalin I could put uh, Saddam, and the other two, Churchill, Blair, Roosevelt, Bush.” And we could judge Churchill and Roosevelt as war criminals with the values and that ideology which we respect today, he adds.

Galloway says it is a long time since he has heard Bush and Blair compared to Roosevelt and Churchill.

The titles of war criminal, atrocities perpetrator, etc. were titles given to Bush and Blair by their own western people, says, a man via satellite from the Tehran audience. It is very obvious that they have committed atrocities, he says, and should receive justice. A woman in the audience speaks next, “can anybody answer me, why…” is her only question, and response to the debate. She says, “it is a matter of geography.”

Galloway responds, "...perhaps a three letter word, O-I-L".

So we discover that usually a debate like this comes down to the question of resources, and motivations for the war, and we have to wonder, were the motivations of Bush and Blair pure or evil?



Thursday, July 21, 2011

Summer Reading - Remembering Dubya

What a Commander- in -Chief does, acting naturally, during simultaneous reports of terrorist attacks
1.       Bush acted naturally on 9-11; if you follow the strategy that is being employed. If you don’t follow the strategy, then you are confused.
2.       He doesn’t follow the military strategy, in this case (morning of 9-11)
3.       He does follow ‘a strategy’, but what is it? Does it have a name?
4.       Maybe, he is following “subversive tactics” strategy to fool the general society.
5.       Ignorance is bliss as Gov’t policy: Most of the society, the normal people, (who) don’t have to know anything, most of the government, even (‘don’t have to know’), America’s allies (‘don’t have to know’), the Arabs, maybe the Al Saud family is excepted, (don’t have to know’), Canada, Britain, too, (‘don’t have to know’), or anyone who doesn’t have to know.
6.       Probably some Jewish people are informed about the (real) nature of the attacks beforehand.
7.       Some other Jews, Christians, etc. (or, connected closely with the first group, no6) are told to remain home from work, or try to fake death during 9-11 of a family member, so they can collect from the government and move to the Bahamas, or some other exotic location.
8.       What Bush does leading up to, during and after the attacks is strangely odd for a President, and commander- in- chief. But he knows what he is doing.
9.       The Al Saud quickly takes off less than one week after the attacks by terrorists. (Michael Moore)
10.   Condoleezza Rice lied, according to Time magazine in August, 2002. (Gore Vidal, the Enemy Within)
                    WAR Was Off the Shelf: About 9-11
           Bush government was ready for the Gulf War. Plans were on the shelf, says article.
          Brzezinski, America believes, they not just someone has to “control[s] … [the] oil [and] gas”.

11.   Other higher ups are involved, and know what is going on.
12.   America threatens Al-Qaeda in July, 2001, two months before a “pre-emptive” attack by OBL (it appears he [was] an “Islamic zealot”. (Gore Vidal, The Enemy Within)
13.   Some FBI agents hire David P. Shippers as their lawyer, to fight allegations that they are guilty of “whistle blowing” under the National Security Act.
14.   Strategy: Al-Qaida was a good target because Clinton has already planned to go after Bin Laden for his attack, on the Cole in Yemen, in Dec., 2000.(Gore Vidal, the Enemy Within)
15.   Eurasia’s resources  is the likely target of America’s foreign policy in the region; an attempt to get the upper hand on Russia, China in its hegemony and control of  Central Asian former Soviet republics,(or Muslims) according to President Carter’s former National Security Advisor, Brzezinski. (Gore Vidal, The Enemy Within)
16.   The start of a ‘militarization campaign’, says Ahmed (Nafeez Mossadeq Ahmed, executive director of Institute for Policy Research and Development, author of The War On Freedom), quoting Brzezinski. (Gore Vidal, The Enemy Within)
17.   Once a Unocal employee is sent to take care of business in Afghanistan, along with former employee of Unocal (“according to Le Monde”) Hamid Karzai, the newly elected President of Afghanistan, Bush makes up an axis of Evil with Saddam as the Iraqi target. (Gore Vidal, the Enemy Within).
18.   Then OBL is believed to be in Iraq, to prove the connection between Saddam and Al-Qaida “as foretold by Brzezinski”. (Gore Vidal, the Enemy Within)
19.   No weapons of mass destruction are ever found in Iraq.
20.   Saddam is caught, and hanged after a quickie trial.
21.   OBL leaves Sudan, in 1996, with 3,000 others. (Gore Vidal, the Enemy Within)
22.   Bin Laden issues a Fatwa, 1996. (Gore Vidal, the Enemy Within)
23.   OBL is finally caught in Afghanistan, early 2011.
24.   American troops will remain in Afghanistan indefinitely in a “militarization campaign”, Ahmed quotes Brzezinski. (Gore Vidal, the Enemy Within).
Thanks to the people or organizations mentioned above for the hard work of researching and writing the facts.