Showing posts with label Shia. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Shia. Show all posts

Monday, December 9, 2013

The Confusion of the Confusion

Remembering  days in history when ppl loved discourse more than the air that they breathed; in memory of the Muslim philosophers, whom all contemplated the great questions of their time, the nature of God, the nature of the soul, whether they were right or wrong, Muslim or Kafir, all studied and learned in Cordoba and pondered the great mysteries. I dedicate this post to modern day scholars who care about truth. DD

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I wanted to call this "the Refutation of the Refutation" but that's already been taken. #Ghazali #Ibn Sina #Ibn Rushd #Cordoba #The Refutation of the Refutation are more labels ppl could try searching.
I wrote and posted three posts yesterday in response to comments I had entertained. So today, I’m posting this explanation of who are the true Muslims, vis a vis a discussion about the meaning of the word Salafist, “Salafi” in Arabic, or the word “Wahhabi” and what it really means. This is an issue which is of paramount concern to me; because it is something I consider a part of the propaganda against Islam and Muslims, particularly Sunni Islam and its adherents, especially those in the Arabian Peninsula.

Just a brief description of both words, the way that Sunni Muslims generally think of the words in the original Arabic – this doesn’t include the opinion of many people who believe wrongly that Salafi is a “bad word”. It is a word we often use so it is important to explain what it does mean.

Salafi – someone who follows the original teachings of Muhammad, pbuh, the Holy Prophet of Islam, and which the following three or four generations of Muslims also followed or preached. The Sahabi (companions of Muhammad, May Allah grant them peace and blessings, and the Tabai’i, the following generation of Muslims who never met the holy Prophet, but had met the Sahabi, and so on). These we consider the proper examples of pious and good people of their day, who we try to emulate in word and deed.

Wahhabi – this is a new label, used very recently, beginning a few years back, which non-Muslims use to mean the Sunnis in Saudi Arabia whom they believe are preaching hate. I’d like to note that Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab, was a scholar who preached Islamic monotheism and was largely concerned with teaching the people in his generation in the place he practiced, not to worship the Taghut (idols) or to do unislamic things, such as following the traditions of other people or religions in their country, which were not sanctioned by Islamic teachings and traditions. He was sometimes opposed by the rulers or other people who didn’t want him to preach, this is why some even called him a “kafir”. His little book Kitab atTauhid is one of the best written on the subject of Islamic monotheism, which contains advice about avoiding shirk (polytheism) and disbelief. He was the most concerned about teaching the common and ignorant people about their religion because many evils had entered into the people’s religious practices or had become a part of their daily lives. The book is a collection of the important hadiths, which are taught in all Islamic studies courses at University level in the past AND even up until today but is very simple and straightforward so that anyone can grasp the concepts and meanings easily. It is one of the easiest and best books recommended for a basic understanding of Islamic creed or monotheism.

Question –

Are Muslims now supposed to change their usage of the word “salafi” to match the current and very negative interpretation, just to avoid being labeled “evil”? Shouldn’t it be the non-Muslims who learn the Arabic meaning of “salafi” and stop using that when they are referring to “extremists”?? Even the word “fundamentalist” has been engineered to be a bad thing. So, we don’t use that word much to refer to “pious” and “good” people, or “believers” of a faith, because it now usually is used in the most negative way to mean someone “extremist”. In the past “fundamentalist” only was a word to mean a person who is adhering to the basics of his religion.

One asks, why is this need for “labeling” others with names they don’t approve? There is no Muslim on earth who calls himself/herself a “Wahhabi” > this word is a new label we don’t accept. And the word “salafi” is still commonly used by Muslims, it is an Islamic terminology. It isn’t right for others to usurp the word for their own purposes; which has always meant someone who follows the original teachings of Muhammad, pbuh. (I already gave a more comprehensive definition above.)

I ask all honest people to not use “salafi” or “Wahhabi” to refer to Muslims or Saudi Arabian people in a negative way. Wahhabi itself is wrong, and a misnomer. Muslims never use it to refer to themselves, and it is a label used “against” them. And “salafi” should be used by English speakers to mean someone who is “Sunni”, as that is what it intends, really. While Sufi Muslims accept the word “sufi” general Muslims don’t accept the word “Wahhabi” and they DO NOT use “Salafi” to mean a person who is an “extremist” in any way, who is not following his religion properly but has extremist views. Likewise, the word “Salafist” is another label, from the same root, but a NEW word in the vocabulary of non-Muslims who use it to mean an extremist from Saudi Arabia or an extremist who follows the path of extremism which they believe (wrongly) is a way of life for many in Saudi Arabia – the only Islam practiced in Saudi Arabia (not speaking of Shias, who also live in Arabia and are a small minority in Saudi Arabia) is mainstream Islam. It means they also abide by the Sharia in their own country. There is no imposing their religion or culture on others, except if one is in the kingdom, then one must abide by the sharia, in his dress or outward appearances and worship (if he is a Muslim in Mecca, for example)and not to do or say things which contravene the Sharia. For example, there is a blasphemy law in Saudi Arabia, much as there are laws against treason in America, or something equivalent.

The rest of the post is a repeat of what I had posted previously, last week.

There is a common misconception today, that Muslims are not also Salafis. This labeling the majority of Sunnis as "Salafists" or "Wahhabis" is starting to border on hate speech, so I have to clear something up now. Firstly, Sunnis and Sufis all call themselves Muslims, and hardly do they get into discussions about their differences, except as an educational exercise. We are very united in our views and aspirations, but appear to be disunited; the media perpetrates the appearance of great schisms, which don't really exist (or result in disunity) among Muslims in their daily relationships with each other.

Secondly, just as people find Sufis loveable, so are the general Muslims loveable. They are not murderers, bigots, rapists, haters; they are people with religious convictions and beliefs, which reflect their upbringing and also their love of God Almighty and Muhammad, and Islam. Their goal in life isn’t to cause others pain and suffering. They are just as kind and compassionate as anybody else. I really resent these labels, which America and the media are attaching to Sunni Muslims.

All Muslims call themselves Muslims, and don’t believe they need any labels apart from that to be counted among the true believers. Some words, such as “Hanbali” or “Maaliki” denote the school of thought a person might adhere to in his daily practice and way of worship, such that his hands are placed a certain way, or he makes certain specific actions in the prayer, which other Sunnis who are not from the same school, or raised in the same country or region where he would have learned the same traditions don’t do, but which are all based on Islamic traditions found in the books, such as Sahih Bukhari or Sahih Muslim, and others. When someone has studied under a scholar he may change the way he practices in some small ways, which might reflect more closely how the Prophet did things, compared to many others who have learned Islam from their parents or an older sibling or their cousins. None of this is dangerous or removes one out of the fold of Islam. Most common people don’t know about the finer points or the discussions which are held in classrooms as intellectual exercises, or to discover which traditions match more closely with what the early Muslims did, who we call in Islamic terminology, “the salaf”. (If you understand what “the salaf” means, then you should be careful of using the term “salafi” to refer to bad or evil Muslims who you fear are the enemy, because they don’t exist~!! There is no evil “salafi” because a “salafi” person is one who tries his best to be a Muslim in the tradition of the earliest Muslims, who are all our best examples.

Non-Muslims and especially the media want to “label” many of the Muslims as terrorists, and using the label Salafi for Muslims as though they are evil, and as though the word “Salafi” means something which it doesn’t - or a bad person, or a bad “cult” (which it really doesn’t in the original usage) Salafi is just another way to say a person who follows the way of the Prophet Muhammad and the early generations of Muslims.

If someone is afraid of Muslims in general, without good reason, then he is an Islamophobe, and there is little hope he will learn the truth of Islam and what Muslims really believe. But if someone is just confused by labels, they should try to discover the truth about Islam and Muslims by reading or going to proper Islamic websites, and ask a Muslim about their concerns. I for one am willing to entertain anyone who is sincere about learning more about any issue related to Islam and Muslims. If I can give evidence or at least tell my personal beliefs, which I can say are the mainstream, then I’m happy to oblige. I don’t insist someone has to become a Muslim. I am not preaching Islam to convert people, though that would please me, but I am really more interested in explaining the true meaning of Islam and teaching others about what I really believe. Islam is not “of the devil” or a strange “cult”; it is a “religion” in the truest and best sense of the word.



Saturday, December 7, 2013

Islamic Propagation & Why Idiocy and Lying Get Promoted

We all know where babies come from right? If you don't you are not even able to read this blog.
But just being able to read isn't going to get you off the hook with me.



+terente P [his comment follows]:

"Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The quran should be the highest authority in America and islam the only accepted religion on Earth"

Omar Ahmed, Chairman of the Board of CAIR...

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The discussion follows a video, "New York on Islam".


+Jane Dughatir The definition of 'kindness' is the quality of being friendly, generous and considerate. If I wanted to use the word I would have. I didn't. It's ok for you to call others ignorant, but when I say you are arrogant and stupid, I become the troll? U need to buy a distortion-free mirror! Now American and Libyans are ignorant Muslims? Seriously??!! Your shoddy reasoning, thinking and interpretation of information needs some serious evaluation. I guess for you, it's your interpretation and brand of Islam or the highway. Anyone who disagrees with your interpretation (Muslim or non-Muslim) is wrong, weak, ignorant… The world is diverse and it will always be that way - diverse nature, cultures, religions, view points/ interpretations, etc. You and your singular, narrow, my way or the highway interpretation is dangerous and THIS is precisely why many non-Muslims have negative views on Islam. You do not help promote Islam, just like fundamentalist Christians don't help promote Christianity. It's a total turn-off!

Yourself and Zaha have disagreed with the majority interpretations, not my own. You yourself asked her to explain whether Islam punishes people for certain crimes, etc., which she avoided answering directly. I agreed with the common perception (and its true there are punishments for such crimes as sexual deviancy etc., in Islam) which is obvious to most ppl, and to +terente P who also commented on this post or similar posts. She is right that most Muslim majority states do not punish for such crimes. She fails to mention that there are such punishments in a true Islamic state. She is tip toeing around the issues.

I don't argue that Saudi isn't a perfect model of Islam however, but is there a perfect model of any system anymore? democracy? or communism? No.

Stop bringing up your silly childish quip about the word "nice".

Do you think Sufis are "not nice" but are also "good Muslims" then? What's your problem exactly? You are not making any sense [or I should say, he didn't address any of my points but is angry about my " " around the word "nice" thus, which is all he can think about, lol.]and anyone with a brain who reads your train of comments would see you have a problem with me and it is now getting to the point that you want it to be personal.

I told you I'm not interested in a dialogue with you because you are not being at all reasonable. I don't think you read my comments to you or you don't understand what I said. You said Sufism is so much better than Sunni Islam. [hope he finally understands that "nice" or whatever else he says promoting sufis, isn't the problem, it is his general attitude that needs an adjustment; who's being arrogant? Certainly it must be "he" and not me..] You see, Salafis are Sunnis, and Wahhabi is just a label attached to Muslims by America and haters, to make it seem as though there are more than one type of Sunni Islam. Labels like "salafists" or "Wahhabis" are to confuse you. Obviously, you are either confused or you are promoting hatred. Labeling people with words they don't accept is hate speech. Changing the meaning of words, such as what is happening when the word "salafi" is used to mean something it isn't e.g. it is used by Islamophobes and the media to mean some evil Muslims or an evil sect. But in the original usage, which goes back to the first century, Salafi meant a person who follows the correct teachings of Islam; the "salafs" were the first generation of Muslims and those that followed them in their traditions. So, to you it has an evil connotation, which is spreading, but the true meaning of Salaf is quite different and a positive thing, for Muslims who understand what it really refers to.

You equate Sufism with good and Salafis with evil. I'm not surprised you are ignorant of the Arabic and the original meaning of the word. I'm not being arrogant, just trying to set you straight on some things. I have nothing against sufis, but they are not the "perfect" models of a true Muslim. True Muslims don't accept labels, such as Sufi, or Shia, if they understand the religion properly. If they don't understand, then Allah will forgive them for what they did out of ignorance, insha Allah.

Also, I was indeed making some fun of the "little girl" Zaha, who tvee seems smitten with.
That's why I said what I did about her being Libyan American. It was a poke at her, because I know that many Americans and Libyans don't know Islam, and you can read millions of comments on the net by both groups, and believe you me, they are often stupid comments. I didn't say that "all Libyans and all Americans" are stupid, however. And I wouldn't say that. But IF I DID, I really and sincerely apologize here and now. As I say, I was poking fun, or "bugging" the Libyan American who doesn't know her own religion and keeps posting her ignorant comments, which ppl like tvee just love, because it gives the impression that we are all ignorant of Islam - even some honest non-believers defend Islam better than she did.

If Zaha takes offence with my calling her "weak" then she should try getting a backbone, or attempt to learn more about Islam than her non-hiijabi circle of friends (on the internet or otherwise). By lying about Islam she proves that she is weak, either in her religion, or in her personality, or maybe both. This isn't personal - I just call 'em like I see 'em.

I will post more about the discussion which happened, so readers can judge for themselves why I have greatly taken offence with this person's views. It isn't for my own sake that I'm offended, but for the sake of Islam, which is already maligned enough in the media and in public forums, so that we don't need to be inundated with more false information, especially by people who are Muslims and claim to be telling  the truth about Islam when they are doing the opposite of that.  

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Above, in the first paragraph of my 'rebuttal' I mention that I agree with the "common perception" which is to say, I agree with Islam's position on some punishments for certian crimes, leaving aside issues about freedom, and that most ppl's understanding of the punshments meted out to criminals in Islam are often accurate vis a vis, beheading for drugs offences (capital punishment also happens in China for drug related traffficking) especially trafficking narcotics, as well, stoning for adultery, or stoning or throwing from a high place, homosexuals (who are caught in the act) which are two of the most serious and controversial we can easily think of. Rapists are also killed, which is not unusual or greatly despised, considering the nature of the crime. Women are not punished for rape, according to the sharia.