Islamic Propagation & Why Idiocy and Lying Get Promoted

We all know where babies come from right? If you don't you are not even able to read this blog.

But just being able to read isn't going to get you off the hook with me.

+terente P [his comment follows]:

"Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The quran should be the highest authority in America and islam the only accepted religion on Earth"

Omar Ahmed, Chairman of the Board of CAIR...

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The discussion follows a video, "New York on Islam".

+Jane Dughatir The definition of 'kindness' is the quality of being friendly, generous and considerate. If I wanted to use the word I would have. I didn't. It's ok for you to call others ignorant, but when I say you are arrogant and stupid, I become the troll? U need to buy a distortion-free mirror! Now American and Libyans are ignorant Muslims? Seriously??!! Your shoddy reasoning, thinking and interpretation of information needs some serious evaluation. I guess for you, it's your interpretation and brand of Islam or the highway. Anyone who disagrees with your interpretation (Muslim or non-Muslim) is wrong, weak, ignorant… The world is diverse and it will always be that way - diverse nature, cultures, religions, view points/ interpretations, etc. You and your singular, narrow, my way or the highway interpretation is dangerous and THIS is precisely why many non-Muslims have negative views on Islam. You do not help promote Islam, just like fundamentalist Christians don't help promote Christianity. It's a total turn-off!

Yourself and Zaha have disagreed with the majority interpretations, not my own. You yourself asked her to explain whether Islam punishes people for certain crimes, etc., which she avoided answering directly. I agreed with the common perception (and its true there are punishments for such crimes as sexual deviancy etc., in Islam) which is obvious to most ppl, and to +terente P who also commented on this post or similar posts. She is right that most Muslim majority states do not punish for such crimes. She fails to mention that there are such punishments in a true Islamic state. She is tip toeing around the issues.

I don't argue that Saudi isn't a perfect model of Islam however, but is there a perfect model of any system anymore? democracy? or communism? No.

Stop bringing up your silly childish quip about the word "nice".

Do you think Sufis are "not nice" but are also "good Muslims" then? What's your problem exactly? You are not making any sense [or I should say, he didn't address any of my points but is angry about my " " around the word "nice" thus, which is all he can think about, lol.]and anyone with a brain who reads your train of comments would see you have a problem with me and it is now getting to the point that you want it to be personal.

I told you I'm not interested in a dialogue with you because you are not being at all reasonable. I don't think you read my comments to you or you don't understand what I said. You said Sufism is so much better than Sunni Islam. [hope he finally understands that "nice" or whatever else he says promoting sufis, isn't the problem, it is his general attitude that needs an adjustment; who's being arrogant? Certainly it must be "he" and not me..] You see, Salafis are Sunnis, and Wahhabi is just a label attached to Muslims by America and haters, to make it seem as though there are more than one type of Sunni Islam. Labels like "salafists" or "Wahhabis" are to confuse you. Obviously, you are either confused or you are promoting hatred. Labeling people with words they don't accept is hate speech. Changing the meaning of words, such as what is happening when the word "salafi" is used to mean something it isn't e.g. it is used by Islamophobes and the media to mean some evil Muslims or an evil sect. But in the original usage, which goes back to the first century, Salafi meant a person who follows the correct teachings of Islam; the "salafs" were the first generation of Muslims and those that followed them in their traditions. So, to you it has an evil connotation, which is spreading, but the true meaning of Salaf is quite different and a positive thing, for Muslims who understand what it really refers to.

You equate Sufism with good and Salafis with evil. I'm not surprised you are ignorant of the Arabic and the original meaning of the word. I'm not being arrogant, just trying to set you straight on some things. I have nothing against sufis, but they are not the "perfect" models of a true Muslim. True Muslims don't accept labels, such as Sufi, or Shia, if they understand the religion properly. If they don't understand, then Allah will forgive them for what they did out of ignorance, insha Allah.

Also, I was indeed making some fun of the "little girl" Zaha, who tvee seems smitten with.

That's why I said what I did about her being Libyan American. It was a poke at her, because I know that many Americans and Libyans don't know Islam, and you can read millions of comments on the net by both groups, and believe you me, they are often stupid comments. I didn't say that "all Libyans and all Americans" are stupid, however. And I wouldn't say that. But IF I DID, I really and sincerely apologize here and now. As I say, I was poking fun, or "bugging" the Libyan American who doesn't know her own religion and keeps posting her ignorant comments, which ppl like tvee just love, because it gives the impression that we are all ignorant of Islam - even some honest non-believers defend Islam better than she did.

If Zaha takes offence with my calling her "weak" then she should try getting a backbone, or attempt to learn more about Islam than her non-hiijabi circle of friends (on the internet or otherwise). By lying about Islam she proves that she is weak, either in her religion, or in her personality, or maybe both. This isn't personal - I just call 'em like I see 'em.

I will post more about the discussion which happened, so readers can judge for themselves why I have greatly taken offence with this person's views. It isn't for my own sake that I'm offended, but for the sake of Islam, which is already maligned enough in the media and in public forums, so that we don't need to be inundated with more false information, especially by people who are Muslims and claim to be telling  the truth about Islam when they are doing the opposite of that.  

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Above, in the first paragraph of my 'rebuttal' I mention that I agree with the "common perception" which is to say, I agree with Islam's position on some punishments for certian crimes, leaving aside issues about freedom, and that most ppl's understanding of the punshments meted out to criminals in Islam are often accurate vis a vis, beheading for drugs offences (capital punishment also happens in China for drug related traffficking) especially trafficking narcotics, as well, stoning for adultery, or stoning or throwing from a high place, homosexuals (who are caught in the act) which are two of the most serious and controversial we can easily think of. Rapists are also killed, which is not unusual or greatly despised, considering the nature of the crime. Women are not punished for rape, according to the sharia.