Zaha S Asks:
Yesterday 12:15 AM
What exactly am I being ignorant about?
tvee, wrote
Yesterday 10:15 PM
"+Jane Dughatir I'll be the first to tell you I don't have an in-depth understanding of Islam, let alone the basics. From reading your comments here, I would rather learn about Islam and appreciate it from Zaha S rather than you. At least I'll certainly be guaranteed of a rational, objective and intelligent discussion on Islamic teachings and issues faced by Muslims. I doubt that's probable with you! Are you truly knowledgeable about Islamic teachings? Perhaps. Are you an arrogant person? Yes. Are you objective and possess some intelligence? Absolutely….. NOT! That's just my opinion. U are so stupid, you can't even process the meaning of words in your hollow head. Where in my comment did I say sufis are 'kind'? I mentioned the words 'gentle', 'compassionate', 'love, 'peace' 'tolerance' and 'universal brotherhood'. I'm not a genius but please only reply back to me if you have an IQ equal to or higher than my 128. It's utterly frustrating trying to communicate with stupid AND arrogant people!"
Besides the redundancy, it is a load of b.s . Is he serious?? Oh I believe him, I just think it is full of “righteous indignation” at being “insulted” (my words: righteous indignation is the belief that you have the right to be angry [or indignant] even though others don’t agree.). In this case, I don’t agree that he has a right to be indignant, angry or sad; he should be embarrassed for behaving childishly - however, if he is sad that he doesn’t understand Islam properly, then good.
“I’ll be the first to tell you I don’t have an in-depth understanding of Islam, let alone the basics.” …etc…
He admits ignorance, totally…BUT…
[And] “Perhaps. Are you an arrogant person? Yes. Are you objective and possess some intelligence? Absolutely….. NOT! That's just my opinion. U are so stupid, you can't even process the meaning of words in your hollow head. Where in my comment did I say sufis are 'kind'? I mentioned the words 'gentle', 'compassionate', 'love, 'peace' 'tolerance'”
Ha-ha. It is so sad, it is tragically funny. I really wish he has a chance to reflect after cooling down. BUT, the ball is in his court, he can do that or not.
I have one line of questioning:
If he admires the sufis so much, he should really try much harder to become like them. I don’t think a Sufi would take someone to task just for saying someone different than them said another person is “nice” and misquoted him when he really said “gentle, compassionate, love peace tolerance,”!!
Then he expects me to believe he is a good person and I am mistreating him and have been arrogant?? Yes, I am telling you what Islam really is, according to what I believe and have studied for years, both on my own and in a real classroom in a University setting. Don’t insult MY intelligence. I’m glad I never claimed to have the IQ of a genius just to “score points”. I don’t have to do something that childish and innane, which is also impossible to prove, so totally pointless.
Jane Dughatir
Yesterday 11:05 PM
Since name calling is permissible I did some of my own as that is what he did first (“He did it first” - this is turning into a useless exercise., which is why I ALWAYS say, “Debates are counterproductive to Understanding Islam” unless you really pay attention)
ur the idiot, obviously. So in your dictionary kind and compassionate isn't any thing close to what you described about the sufi person you met?? Are you serious or just being a troll? I wasn't quoting you, should be obvious, I was describing how you explained that you met the nice sufi guy and that it seems you believe all Musilms in your eyes are not equal to the task, of being kind or good people except a sufi or someone like Zaha, who can't defend her own religion's teachings, if she is indeed a Muslims (sic), which I'm not certain of either. Anyone who reads this will consider you an absolute moron. Excuse me if you didn't say kind, lol. You are more arrogant if you think ur ranting is going to fool anybody. I don't care if you believe I'm foolish or arrogant because obviously you have no sense at all!! good day. Unlike you, I do have a basic understanding of Islam at the very least, and unlike you, I don't fall for ignorant ppl's claims e.g. what zaha had said, because she wants to be a weak person who kisses ass of Islamophobes or her non-Muslim friends or family or maybe she is also not even Muslim, I don't know if she is or not. Considering her level of ignorance, I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't even pray, even if she is Muslim. Or know how to pray. I don't care to have any more dialogue with you. so plz don't send another reply defending your position.+tvee with the high IQ which is totally not true, or youre a monkey's uncle.
Jane Dughatir
Yesterday 11:12 PM
where is Zaha? she can't say anything more to defend herself and needs you,
Mr. T?? +tvee
Jane Dughatir
Yesterday 11:29 PM
Just to quote some of what little Zaha S had said previously, "Its apart of a terrible cultural practice in the Middle East I thought that was already established. Yes it is something good because it is my way of life and I see it as beautiful and peaceful and if more people embrace that lifestyle then that makes me happy. What propaganda? I'm still itching my head at your ignorance, I don't think you're an idiot though, just misinformed. There is no such thing as forced Islam and most reverts find Islam on their own. Ask me anything, what did I ignore? I apologize if I ignored anything."
She is scratching her head, after lying about Islam, which the non-Muslim terente P is more knowledgeable about then herself!! Yes, there are beheadings in Saudi Arabia, as a punishment, which still occur now. And in Iran, ppl also are killed; It is strange however, that many women, not as many men, it seems, are killed for sexual crimes there, but how can this be Islamic? There seems to be something else at work besides women being promiscuous, and I wonder what their "crime" really is?? (Slight revision - about Iran - just to make clear that I don’t approve of what happens in Iran, though Iran claims to practice sharia as well. They have a different understanding of Islam than Sunnis, however. I dare say very different in many aspects. I say I don’t approve, but I don’t say I would impose my will on them, and that goes for the sufis and all other groups or branches of Islam or sects. As long as they don’t claim to have rights over me, I don’t have a dispute with them. But if they are hurting their citizens and are extremely unjust, maybe I will comment, and that’s my right, too. December, 8th)
But Zaha (and others) don't deny things that are even written in the papers or seen in public squares in Saudi or Iran. Yes, sharia calls for some criminals to be beheaded or sexual crimes like adultery to be punished with stoning. Anyone who knows anything about Islam knows this. It is a weak Muslim who denies this.
Do Muslims want to kill all non-Muslims, NO. Do Muslims want to hang non-Muslims for having boyfriends and girlfriends in their own country? NO. Do we want to have people in non-Muslim countries who steal punished with the Islamic punishment if they have stolen something equal to twenty bucks, say? NO.
State the real position on Islamic topics, don't make up your own ideas or an entirely different religous point of view (that's not permitted in Islam, ask any educated Muslim). It is wrong to lie about the religion, period. I don't care if you are nice and want friends all over the internet and want non-Muslims to love you, it is non (sic) sanctioned by the religion, to lie about your religion. If you are that ignorant, be quiet, for your own sake!!
Jane Dughatir
Yesterday 11:56 PM
Islam is only right for those willing to accept it, says Zaha S, lol. So its only right for Musilms (sic). We actually believe it is right for everybody, but that doesn't mean other ppl will become Muslim. And that is their own business. But don't say such things, I am afraid your English needs refreshing. I don't blame otherrs (sp)for their poor English but if your English isn't up to par or isn't at a certain level of proficiency, you should watch how you say things and what you say in general, so you are not taken to task for unintended meanings or blatantly wrong ideas.
Zaha S
1:02 AM
I don't think you understood what I was saying. Of course Islam is for everyone, as everyone is born a Muslim. But what I meant is that it should not be forced on anyone. Please refrain from insulting me, I hope you meant well. M3asalama.
Advice for Zaha,
I know what you meant, but you didn’t say that; that’s my point; be careful and revise your mistakes. ["Of course Islam is for everyone, ....", she wrote the next time, which is what she "wanted" to say, but 'somehow' turned it 180 degrees, into an opposite idea !! ] If you make blatant mistakes, such that you apologize for everybody, you are telling them you think it is okay to be whatever they want (according to most, it is okay). It is even their legal right to do and believe what they wish, but it isn’t going to help them in their search for "enlightenment" if You LIE.. Don’t say, Islam isn’t for everybody, it is, so why did you say that in the first place?? Say what you mean… and apologize if you said something incorrect.
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The bigger problem is her lying about Islam. And I have already gone over all that. If you care about ppl then you want to tell them what Islam really teaches, not make up stuff, or pretend you know what you don’t know. People love to get along and not to rock the boat, but that means they also lie about their beliefs just to please others; which is what you seem to be doing. Or you are preaching about Islam without correct knowledge.
Zaha S
1:14 AM
+Jane Dughatir I don't really understand what I'm denying either? It is true what you said about Saudia and Iran I never denied that, what I'm saying is their governments are not Islamic! No country in the world practices Sharia law perfectly. I also mentioned that crimes like those are punishable but not all by death, because at the end of the day you need to forgive just like Allah SWT forgives (of course some things like rape and murder are another story). Thank you for calling someone you don't know a weak Muslim and "little" I really appreciate that. I'm not going to spend my time responding to someone who insults me, especially a fellow Muslim. If you are Muslim yourself you would know that Islam preaches kindness. Once again M3asalama.
J D-N
2:21 AM
salaam, dear. No, you said the specific crimes that were discussed such as sexual crimes are not punishable and they are. So is stealing. That's in Islam when a country properly practices sharia, which is why even though Saudi and Iran are not perfect models of Islam, they do have such punishments which have always been done in Saudi, following the way of the early Muslims. People read about Islam and books are easy to find, as well as some proper sites on internet. ..."You can't fool everybody all of the time." And you can't fool me. Yes, ma'a salaam. Islam also preaches knowledge of your religion. Even many non-Muslims know Islam better and defend it better than you do.
J D-N
2:47 AM
Well, being that Zaha is a Libyan and American answers a lot, lol. I know many, many Libyans who were ignorant of their religion so much that they would defend the non-Muslim's calendar saying it is better than the very accurate Islamic Hijri calendar, which is based on the phases of the moon. Anything Islamic, they would run away from. So, yes, I get that Zaha, is somewhat afraid of Islam, and doesn't appreciate the need for sharia.
If you prayed in Libya in the mosque regularly you ended up in prison. Yet Ghaddafi claimed he was a defender of Muslim rights, or that's what the west told everyone. So, little Zaha's family moved to the west and raised her as a non hiijab wearing ignorant Muslim, who doesn't have a proper Islamic grounding..and is afraid of Islam's reality, much like non-believers she tries to convince that Islam is not what they read in the hadiths books. But for the most part, it really is. I am not talking about misinterpreted texts, but true Islam as taught in Islamic colleges in the gulf states. These are colleges which accept people who have at minimum a highschool GPA of 70% or higher, and who can learn or read Arabic, who can memorize Quran. Such people who can devote themselves to studying at University level, and who are serious about learning. I'm not speaking of children's Islamic study halls, or musallas. As for those who are "weak" and "afraid" you should Stop! making up lies to defend your religion! Islam doesn't need you to lie for Islam. Islam is good and it is the Truth. #Quran #islam #Muhammad
Why do I say Zaha is “little” , or “weak and afraid” ,because she behaves like a child. She is “weak” in her Islamic knowledge or her practice. Does she wear a hijab? Not in her photo. Should she? Should she post photos of herself (according to the sharia) or should she cover her hair at least?
She isn’t practicing as much as many other Muslim girls or women do. Many also are like her, I know that. It is her responsibility if she knows Islam, to practice it properly. I am not going to judge her here or anytime, but God will. As a Muslim I hope she considers that.
[I wonder if tvee is her brother. He seems to defend her a lot, but he says he is an atheist.
There are many Libyans who were communists, so atheism isn’t a far stretch for them. But that’s enough about that.]
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