FINAL SAY:
I was going to type something completely different; it happened that I reread some of the comments about the Happy Song and came upon something strange...
I will lay out what I found, in steps, so it's not hard to follow and ppl can see where it's going to it's final conclusion.
The comments were about the video, but veered off into other territory, some related, some not.
So, someone starts throwing accusations at other people, as the reader will see.
This is not for the fainthearted, as I've warned. And this is some of the more crucial information that I missed in previous readings, and the blogposts I wrote this month.
For example, there is one distinction to make between me and Mostafa554466.
waleed mukhtar Oct 5, 2015
+Mostafa554466 can I ask you something brother/sister its extremely important. you refer to a lot of ahadeeth and quran and you quote them frequently. and then you put forward your own conclusion on a certain event in this case this video,
without the supporting rulings of scholars ( you haven't even named one) meaning you must see yourself fit to give fatwas based of ijthihad
which means your a mujthahid. Are you a mujthahid? have you studied the science of ahadeeth? if not[why] are you preaching in this field as if you are qualified to do so?
[First of all, noone is giving Fatawas to other Muslims here. We are telling our own opinions which we believe are correct according to the teachings of scholars.
Yes, it is better to have the opinions of scholars, but someone doesn't have to seek an opinion (or a fatawa) to publish his own opinion and quoting a hadith or two, and telling what he knows.
As I mentioned, the prophet Muhammad, pbuh, said that each one of us is a 'shepherd'. A shepherd tries to guide or educate others, be it his family or other Muslims.
We have the intelligence and knowledge, to give proper evidence, and also to be able to judge, unless we are not as intelligent as the average person is. ]
[Second of all, this comment is totally off the rails, because it mentions ISIS. NOONE in the comments is related to ISIS or their actions; noone here is defending ISIS, and what the reason is for
bringing the extremist group into this discussion is beyond me, I think, at first... Later I suspect, there is a more sinister reason for this. But we will see if I was right to suspect anything 'wrong'.]
Waleed writes,
"listening to some lectures on islam does NOT make you qualified go around telling people what is haram and what isn't and quoting the quran giving its apparent meaning.
There are 18 science of Islam if your not qualified or been given permission to talk about a given subject by a higher body then you should not do so as you are not suitably equipped causing harm by leading people astray.
there are over 1million ahadeeth, strong, famous, undeniable, abrogated, general, specific, time based, present tense permanent etc etc these are categories of ahadeeth and each has a different application. how would you know which ahadeeth you quote comes under which?
you don't know any of this because you haven't sat down with a teacher and learn't it is better for you to learn first then teach other. if you so wish. stop this nonsense and stop arguing with Muslims, give them the message then leave it move on with your life and be productive. may Allah guide us all."
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[Who was arguing? We told our opinions.]
[Another person takes exception with him and says, not to hurt other Muslims.
He is the one who stands out, above all other comments by Muslims. I wonder why that is??]
In the following example, someone tells Mostafa judges Mostafa, saying he "isn't ready in life to understand that everybody is entitle to express happiness..."
and then Mostafa says, "I don't agree.."
[That's it! No big fight or blow out!!]
I also strongly object to Waleed's statements because he is accusatory, and he doesn't know me or others, so he can only go by what is plainly written. To say I don't know anything about the Islamic studies (or fiqh), etc because of this conversation, is speculation at this point.
Username Fabi Nov 12, 2015
+Mostafa554466 You felt ashamed because you are not ready in life to understand that everybody is entitled to express happiness the way they want, INCLUDING the way others do.?
Mostafa554466 Nov 12, 2015+1
+Username Fabi
I don't agree with your assessment.?
[Right below that, we find Waleed again addressing Mostafa...]
waleed mukhtar Nov 12, 2015
+Mostafa554466 mind giving a answer to my reply? ...well your silence is a answer in of it self. you know I'm right and you're wrong. when people are wrong they go silent. may Allah guide those (unqualified fools) who seek vigilante justice, for indeed they are astray. may allah rally us behind the scholars and the mura'jaah for they are the true inheritors of islam. ameen .
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[It seems to me that waleed is always more confrontational than any of the other Muslims in this stream.]
THEN WHAT HAPPENS??
[Both brothers, go off into weird territory... I'm not sure what's going on.
Waleed talks about google, and why he believes we can't use that for our islamic information. I believe there are reliable sources which give true information. It is necessary to know which are good and which are not good.
Muslims should be able to tell the difference. People shouldn't let their kids search google on their own though,IMHO.]
"Write " Is vine winegar haram or halal " on google, and tell me what conclusions you can draw from the 3 first links you see (scholary references, of course).
MY answer_
why the hell are you looking for answers to such questions on random websites on google????!!"!!! no wonder your so confused!
first of all the answer to that question depends on which mathaab you follow e.g either hanafi or other three (malik, shafi, hanbali) those people who say vinegar is harams is a minority of hanafi scholars. their reasons being its contaminated with alcohol. however the majority of scholars argue that there is a limit to how far you may take the texts and this is extreme.
you need to understand that due to industrialisation 80-90% of all our food is contaminated with haram substances down to a trace level but the ulimah have said this does not make the food unchanged and therefore unlawful ( there are more details to what they say) while a few hanafi scholars differed its up to you to decide which side you want to side with. as for me I dont want to starve.
and in future dont seek answer from sheihk google for answers from google will only be answered by shaytaan.
ISIS is the century old symptom of the kawarij or as we more commonly call wahabbie salafie today. no sunni scholar has ever! ever! support ISIS who rape torture destroy graves of companions such as khalid ibn waleed, imam nawawi and others and even murder the abdaa'hl of syria like shiehk ramadan al bouti!!!. they are a ugly cult. as the prophet___ said they would spring periodicity in every age
until we fight them in the army of the anti Christ, calling away from islam while claiming they are the only muslims.
sister brother you got some serious re thinking to do, and I mean that in a polite way. Kind regards
salamu' alaykum."
HOLD ON!
[Okay, I don't like being lumped together with anyone, especially when they start to get weird. I'm not sure at this point what Mostafa445566 is going on about...
I also don't know what the other brother (+waleed mukhtar) is going to say next! I am really nervous at this point.
Some of my work is missing here,,, so I'll end here. I wrote a longer post but there appears to be some missing text.
I will tell you all what MOST SHOCKED me though!
It was when someone said this, "may allah rally us behind the scholars and the mura'jaah for they are the true inheritors of islam. ameen ."
WHO ARE THESE 'MURA'JAAH' THAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT?
I believe they are a Muslim 'deviant' sect who believe that no matter what great or (how many) small sins any Muslim commits (the true Muslim like himself, maybe?) they are not sent to Hell; not ever at any time or for any reason!
If you don't see the irony here, you will soon!
These people called Mura'jaah, or I write 'murjihi' are not following the Sunnah, or the Middle Way. They are also led astray by the devil, because they don't denounce (or try to guide) people who commit evils, unless they are the extremists (on the other end of the spectrum)! They don't believe they are extremists themselves, but recognize the major faults of the 'Khawaraj' only.
Yes ISIS is an extremist group like the Khawaraj, or is actually Khawaraj, however you look at it. But that doesn't mean there aren't other kinds of extremists or other types of extremism.
PLEASE NOTE:
I only ask people to go over the text again, and decide for themselves who is being 'extremist' or who is being argumentative and judgmental.
I don't claim to have special knowledge of the unseen, but I am basing my conclusions on what I have read in the comments only. I know enough about Islam and the Muslims to understand that something 'bad' is happening, and people need to be cautious about what they are reading and what they are thinking.
I would really like others comments, especially people who know about this issue. I'm afraid that this type of belief is infecting people in the West or the East just as the Khawaraj and extremists like that have for a long time spread their poison among the Muslims.
While some extremism attacks the society in general, other extremism attacks Muslims only. Both are bad for Islam and Understanding Islam. I condemn all extremism.
ASALAMU ALAIKUM, and Peace be upon you.
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